Rock formations and Petroglyphs in the area

Before its news isnt always a credible source, but these articles are interesting, you can find lots of sources for these features on Google search. Indigenous People Prove Ancient Giants? Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:02

PYRAMID LAKE, Nev. — Ancient rock etchings along a dried-up lake bed in Nevada have been confirmed to be the oldest recorded petroglyphs in North America, dating back at least 10,000 years.The petroglyphs found on limestone boulders near Pyramid Lake in northern Nevada’s high desert are similar in design to etchings found at a lake in Oregon that are believed to be at least 7,600 years old. Unlike later drawings that sometimes depict a spear or antelope, the carvings are abstract with tightly clustered geometric designs — some are diamond patterns, others have short parallel lines on top of a longer line.Scientists can’t tell for sure who carved them, but they were found on the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe’s reservation land.

“We initially thought people 12,000 or 10,000 years ago were primitive, but their artistic expressions and technological expertise associated with these paints a much different picture,” said Eugene Hattori, the curator of anthropology at the Nevada State Museum in Carson City who co-wrote a paper on the findings earlier this month in the Journal of Archaeological Science.

The petroglyphs could be as much as 14,800 years old, said Larry Benson, a geochemist who used radiocarbon testing to date the etchings and was the lead author of the research paper.

Radiocarbon testing dated the carbonate layer underlying the petroglyphs to roughly 14,800 years ago. Geochemical data and sediment and rock samples from adjacent Pyramid Lake show they were exposed to air from 13,200 to 14,800 years ago, and again from 10,500 to 11,300 years ago.

“Whether they turn out to be as old as 14,800 years ago or as recent as 10,500 years ago, they are still the oldest petroglyphs that have been dated in North America,” said Benson, a former research scientist for the U.S. Geological Survey and current curator of anthropology at the University of Colorado Natural History Museum in Boulder.

Dennis Jenkins, an archaeologist with the University of Oregon’s Museum of Natural and Cultural History, called it a significant discovery. He led recent excavations of obsidian spear points near Paisley, Ore., that he dated back 13,200 years, and noted that the bigger challenge is identifying who created the petroglyphs.

“When you get back into this time period, if you speak with Native Americans they will tell you they were made (created) there and that is obviously their people and their artwork,” Jenkins said. “But approaching it from a scientific point of view — what we can prove — at this point, it is impossible to connect these to any tribal group.”

The carvings were found on the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe's reservation. This site was once the shoreline of the now dried up Winnemucca Lake.EUGENE HATTORI/AP

The carvings were found on the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe’s reservation. This site was once the shoreline of the now dried up Winnemucca Lake.

William Cannon, a longtime archaeologist for the U.S. Bureau of Land Management who discovered the petroglyphs at Long Lake in Oregon, brought the Nevada site to Hattori’s attention years ago. He said they bore similarities to petroglyphs at nearby Winnemucca Lake, and Hattori began connecting the dots after Benson spotted the carbonate coating on the rocks.

The etchings in Nevada and Oregon have relatively deep, carved lines dominated by linear, curved and circular geometrical designs. Some feature “tree-form designs” with a series of evenly spaced, vertically oriented ‘V’ shapes bisected by a vertical line.

Researchers have suggested the etchings represent various meteorological symbols, such as clouds and lightning, perhaps the Milky Way.

“But we really have nothing to go on for these particular petroglyphs that go back 10,000 or more years,” Hattori said Wednesday.

Benson has no idea what they mean.

“When I looked at it, I said, ‘These things are incredibly beautiful.’ We have so much beautiful, old Native American stuff in the United States, but this shows it didn’t necessarily get more interesting or more pretty with time,” he said.

Ben Aleck, a co-author of the study who is the collection manager at the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe’s Museum and Visitor Center in Nixon, said Wednesday he could not comment without permission from tribal leaders.

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Indigenous People Prove Ancient Giants?

Wednesday, April 9, 2014 1:02
(Stone Mother outcropping at Pyramid Lake, Nevada)
I spoke in a prior post about the kernel of truth in legends. Let’s discuss these kernels. I will bold and underline things that are based on actual historic or verifiable details. 
Stone Mother (Paiute Legend)
Thousands of years ago, the father of all Indians, “The Wolf” came to live on a mountain nearStillwater (a real place located in the Lohantan Valley). The Great Father was a wise and good ruler.
A woman, who lived with her husband in another part of Nevada, had heard about the great father. The woman became infatuated with him, and thought of nothing except to meet him someday. This made her husband very jealous and led them to fighting all the time. One day, while they were having another fight, the woman, in a rage, killed her husband. She began searching for the Great Father.
During her journey she had many adventures. One, while walking on the Shore of Mono Lake (actual lake in California near Nevada), a giant creature tried to eat her, but she was able to kill the giant and escape (in keeping with Lake Lohantan red-haired cannibalistic giants and skeletons found in Lovelock Cave and giants reported in Death Valley, CA)

She continued on her quest to find the Great Father. Until finally her journey brought her toStillwater. Just as she arrived, she caught a glimpse of the Great Father. The woman couldn’t believe her eyes. She couldn’t believe how handsome he was.

The woman tried to hide from him for a time, but The Great Father noticed her tracks and called out to her and let her know that he knew she was there. He asked her to come out of hiding. The woman was scared and embarrassed but finally came out to meet him.
The Great Father knew she had traveled a long way and he took her to his camp. He fed her good food, and asked her to stay the night and she agreed with no hesitation.

After a few days together they fell in love with each other and they married on the eighth day. Soon afterwards they had children. The first child was a son, their second another son, and later several daughters. The oldest son was mean, troublesome and always fought with the other children, especially his brother. The fighting and bickering continued for many years.

The Great Father grew tired of all the fighting and had a meeting with all of his children to try to stop the fighting once and for all. He began by telling them that if they did not stop fighting, he would separate all of them. But before he could finish what he had to say, the children started fighting again.
The Great Father had had enough, and decided to separate all of them. He sent his oldest son and a girl to the west. They in turn became the Pit River Tribe  (real tribe in Nevada). He sent his younger son with a girl to the east. They in turn became the Bannock Tribe (another great basin tribe). The other children remained at home and they became the Paiute Tribe (it might be interesting to test today whether these tribes are genetically related to secure yet another part of the tale as fact).

After shunning his children the Great Father was so distraught that he went to his home in the sky.

After a time, both brothers returned home, and the brothers brought many warriors for battle. They began fighting in a valley. When the mother saw her sons fighting she was so sad, it broke her heart. The mother climbed until she got to the top of a hill and sat there as she watched her sons fight. She soon started to cry. The sons continued to fight and the mother cried faster and harder. She cried so hard and for so long that her tears filled the land below. From her tears a lake started to form. After many moons her tears created a great lake, this lake is now called Pyramid Lake.

The mother stayed on the hill crying for so long that she turned into stone and remains there to this day.

You can see the Stone Mother (there is, in fact, a stone that looks like a woman-photo above)sitting on the east Shore of Pyramid Lake with her basket by her side. Of course, this is not say the woman actually became a stone, but that the legend tries to explain an actual feature that does exist.

**I highly recommend the book “Stone Age In the Great Basin” by Emory Strong that gives lots of info on these tribes where the red-haired giants lived including stories of the giants. This region of the Great Basin was filled with waterways and lots of ancient tribes and much of Giant Territory. You will find many kernels in this book that will amaze!**

Supporting That Giants Existed:  This legend supports the ancient giants of the Great Basin, including a Paiute legend of their ancestors fighting off cannibalistic red-haired giants and trapping them in a cave to burn them to death; a cave that as later found to hold the bones of ancient tall ones with red hair and a tale of giant skeleton finds in Death Valley caves.


Sami-Lapland, Scandinavia

One of the most famous Sami folktales is the story of “The Pathfinder.” In it, a Sami village is attacked by a marauding tribe from the east called the Tjudes (aka Chudes)–ancestors of the Komi People.  –***TRIBES FIGHTING IS A CLUE OFTEN OF GIANT SKIRMISHES*** In Russian folk legends, the Chudes were described as exalted and beautiful. One characteristic of the Chudes was ‘white-eyed’, which means lightly colored eyes, powerful and giant in size (a characteristic often attributed to finds of ancient giants with fair hair). The village fights as best it can, but the Tjudes vastly outnumber the Sami and soon kill all but one—a young boy. The Tjudes then force the young boy to lead them to the next village so they can attack and overtake it as well. The boy reluctantly agrees, leading the Tjudes by night through the mountains. At the top of one mountain, the Tjudes decide to wait until morning, fearing they will lose their way getting down the mountain. The Sami boy, however, urges them to follow him. He says he knows the mountain well and will lead them by torch. He suggests that they all tie themselves together by rope so none of them gets lost. The Tjudes agree, grateful that the Sami boy has become so loyal to them.
As they make their way down the mountain, however, the Sami boy leads them to a great cliff, stops at its edge and tosses his torch over the side, yelling, “Follow me!” The Tjudes, tied together, fall over the edge.


Supporting That Giants Existed:  “The Seven Giants,” as these pillars (above) are called. In the Northern Region of Russia in this territory of the Tjudes (Chudes – above story), comes a local legend Russian of their formation (called “Manpupuder” – one of Russia’s 7 Wonders). How did something this massive come to be? An experienced climber once tried to climb them and could only manage one!

“According to a local legend, the stone pillars were once an entourage of Samoyeds giants walking through the mountains to Siberia in order to destroy the Mansi people. However, upon seeing the holy Mansi mountains, the shaman of the giants dropped his drum and the entire team froze into the stone pillars.”


(Giant skull found in Dmanisi Georgia)**Incidentally, the Finnish have a giant called Koljo who was supposedly a carrier of disease and Pre-historic stone structures and large stone boulders that were thought to have been erected by Hiisis or giants. The Finnish term for a Bronze Age cairn grave (consisting of a pile of rocks) is still called a hiidenkiuas, Hiisi’s pile of rocks. A giant’s kettle is called a hiidenkirnu (literally, a hiisi’s churn) in Finnish.n Christian-influenced later folklore, they are depicted as demonic or trickster-like entities, often the autochthonous, pagan inhabitants of the land, similar in this respect to mythological giants** 

Raksha – source  (incidentally, present day Yeti Territory)
Demonic creatures who eat the flesh of man.” (Here we go again with the cannibalistic tendencies of these giants-repeated too often to ignore).  Described variously as ” Rakshasa were most often depicted as ugly, fierce-looking and enormous creatures and with two fangs protruding down from the top of the mouth as well as sharp, claw-like fingernails. They are shown as being mean, growling like beasts and as insatiable cannibals who could smell the scent of flesh. Some of the more ferocious ones were shown with flaming red eyes and hair, drinking blood with their palms or from a human skull (red-haired and ferocious as reported by the Paiutes in America).Generally they could fly, vanish, and had Maya (magical powers of illusion), which enabled them to change size at will and assume the form of any creature.

Supporting That Giants Existed: Today in the Himalayas there are reports of Yeti, tall, hairy and often reportedly ferocious beings who walk on two legs.

A very high altitude lake in in the Himalayas called “Mystery Lake” had the remains of hundreds of bones surfacing in the early 1900s.  

The local legend said that king of Kanauj, Raja Jasdhaval, with his pregnant wife Rani Balampa, servants, dance troupe and others went on a pilgrimage to Nanda Devi shrine and the group faced a hail storm with large hailstones, from which the entire party perished near Roopkund lake. 
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